Episode 24: Synchronicity
Some coincidences – like when friends call just as you are thinking about them – seem be more than accidents of statistics. So is there a connection that binds everything in the universe together such that nothing happens by chance? Or are all coincidences phenomena of probability? Hear from those who believe in synchronicity, versus those who do not. Plus, the story of a relationship where synchronicity brought two people together, and then back together again after two years apart without contact.
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Announcer: This program is intended for mature audiences only.
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Judy Silber: You know how you’ll be thinking about someone, and then suddenly, they Call? Where you quit your job not knowing how you’re going get by, and then, not too long after, a job offer comes in?
One time at OneTaste, we were making a wish list of skills that we needed for the business. With a bunch of high maintenance women, “hairdresser” made the list. Not too long after, a hairdresser showed up. So – coincidence, or not?
From OneTaste Urban Retreat Center in San Francisco, we bring you A Taste of Sex: Reality Audio, a podcast featuring the personal stories, revelations, and perspectives from people engaged in the conscious exploration of connection, sensuality, and relationship.
Today’s Episode: Synchronicity.
Part one: A very unscientific inquiry into synchronicity,
Part two: The believers and the doubters, and
Part three: The story of synchronous relationship that withstood many odds, including a two-year separation. I’m Judy Silber. Join us, and turn on.
Really, the argument about synchronicity is an argument about connection. Is there an elusive connection that ties all things in the universe together, such that nothing happens by chance, or is it all just random, accidents of fate that determine our lives?
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At OneTaste, we have a lot of people coming in and out of the retreat center for lectures, classes, workshops, and also just to hang out. It’s not at all unusual that just as you’re talking about someone, they walk in, even if you haven’t seen them for a very long time. On the residential site, one of the most common places where this occurs is in the bathroom.
In search for answers about synchronicity, my friend Bain and I decided to try a little experiment: We would hang out in the bathroom, talk, and see who showed up. It started with someone mentioning a guy named Bruce.
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Judy Silber: D’you know how a lot of talk happens in the bathroom, and how you’ll be sitting in here, and then the person you’re talking about… the person you’re talking about shows up, inevitably?
Bain: Yeah
Judy Silber: So I thought we could try an experiment where we just start talking about someone, and then we see if they show up.
Judy Silber: Okay, so, so who should we talk about?
Bain: Who we should talk about?
Judy Silber: Yes.
Bane: Let’s talk about… Let’s talk about Shane.
Judy Silber: Shane?
Bain: Yeah, he’s got an interesting re-entry story.
Judy Silber: Okay, so we’re talking about Shane. He hasn’t shown up yet. Usually it happens pretty immediately…. like, you’re talking about them, and then all of a sudden they’re just there.
Bain: and any second, yeah. Just, like, right…
Judy Silber: Yeah, Oh… Oh, Bruce!
Bain: He’s a little late. We were just talking about you!
Judy Silber: We were talking about Bruce, okay.
Bain:
Judy Silber: He just walked by. Doesn’t quite count, because he didn’t come into the bathroom.
Bain: Yeah. Needs a supernova to bend light, and right now, Bruce is as close to light as any of us.
Judy Silber: What are you talking about?
Bain: Well, he’s kind of walking along his path, he’s on a mission, and for us to suck him in, bending light….
Judy Silber: Oh, I see, I get it. We would have had to have a lot of energy coming from the bathroom…
Bain: We’re not supernovas, and I think it’s just time we admitted it.
Judy Silber: (laughs) Bain, this isn’t really doing much for my project, that talk about this supernova!
Bain: Really?
Judy Silber: No.
Bain: Oh.
Judy Silber: So, who should we talk about? Shane hasn’t shown up yet…. Oh, it’s Beth! Beth!
Bain: Hi, Beth!
Beth: Hey… Baaaain! What are we talking about?
Judy Silber: Synchronicity! WHO should we talk about is the question, because we’re trying to call people into the bathroom to see if synchronicity is really real. We’re doing a little experiment.
Beth: Wow! You should call into the bathroom someone with some medical expertise, since three people are now sick here!
Bain: Are you amid… amongst the sick?
Beth: No.
Bain: Good. Racheli, Allegra, and who else?
Beth: Rob
Bain: Oh, you’re kidding!
Judy Silber: Oh yeah, Rob’s sick now! Yeah, He’s flat out in bed. I don’t think any of them are showing up in the bathroom, cause they are all sick.
Beth: That’s why we need call the medical help!
Judy Silber: Oh, medical help…. We don’t really have any medical help!
Beth: We need to call in some medical help, that’s what I’m saying!
Judy Silber: Okay. Oh, it’s Bruce… Oh wait! Bruce is walking into the bathroom! So…
Bain: That is…
Judy Silber: Is that…
Bain: …proof!
Judy Silber: Is that synchronicity, or what?
Bain: That’s synchronicity.
Judy Silber: Bruce doesn’t believe in synchronicity. Cal… no, but there’s another one! Maybe Cal will come through! Cal..
Man: He will, he lives here!
Judy Silber : (laughs)
Man: It’s his bathroom!
Man2: It would be just like him!
Judy Silber: I already interviewed Bruce about his views on synchronicity. It’s a probabilistic event. Okay, Marna is leaving the bathroom. Oh, it’s you! Yeah, we weren’t even talking about you, but you showed up.
Marna: Yay! Oh, is this related to [?] anything?
Bain & Judy Silber: Synchronicity.
Bain: I think we gotta look at how well it’s not working. There’s something there.
(all laugh)
Judy Silber: Oh, wait, who’s n… Leif, sorry, we weren’t talking about you!
Bain: We were talking about synchronicity, when you’re, like, we’re talking about someone in here, and then all of a sudden they walk in?
Man: What are the odds?
Leif: Oh, really?
Woman: No.
Bain: Likely, hm?
Beth: But you guys weren't even talking about anybody.
Judy Silber: We haven’t… no.
Beth: No, sorry, I’m kidding.
Judy Silber: Bruce! Bruce! Kinda… kinda… Bruce works.
Bain: If ten minutes is the standard…
Judy Silber: Yeah.
Bain: …lifetime for synchronicity, I think it was spot on.
Judy Silber: (laughs) I don’t know!
Beth: How about they come in, and THEN you talk about them - 'cause that's what you did to me.
Man: There you go
Judy Silber: Okay, Bruce, say the thing you said!
Bruce: I said, maybe you have to say nasty things about people, that you hope they don’t overhear, in order to attract them.
Judy Silber: Okay, who is out there? Marna!
Man: Amy!
Judy Silber: So far, no one that we’ve been talking about – other than Bruce! – has walked in. Wait a minute, oh wait – it’s Cal! Cal is walking by. We actually did say something about Cal
Bain: Oh my god, we got a number two. What are we talking about?
Judy Silber: Synchronicity.
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Judy Silber: Okay, so maybe that wasn’t the best experiment. Psychologist Carl Jung coined the term “synchronicity” to explain unrelated, simultaneous events that seemed more than coincidental. In his most famous example, a patient was reciting a dream that she’d had about a golden scarab, which is an image of a beetle. Suddenly, Jung heard a noise behind him. He turned around, and saw a flying insect knocking against the windowpane from the outside. He opened the window, and lo and behold, it was a beetle.
In all seriousness, I have somewhat mixed views about synchronicity.
On the one hand, as someone who studied biology, I’m a rationalist, a believer in probability. And then, another part of me, the more romantic, poetic part believes that there is an underlying force that drives everything that happens. I think about these forces as energetic highways that criss-cross the universe, linking everyone to everything. When people get on the same highway, they become connected, and the likelihood of them ending up in the same place at the same time goes up.
Part two: The believers and the doubters.
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Judy Silber: Do you or do you not believe in synchronicity?
Cal: I do believe in synchronicity. I believe that people attract exactly what they need at any moment.
Allegra: Yesterday, I was writing to my old roommate in New York, and I had just pulled up a website to write her a note, and at that moment she called me, and we haven’t spoken in about two weeks. So, it’s just amazing when two people are thinking about each other at the same time, and then you get kind of an event that affirms that connection.
Judy Silber: And do you think that it’s coincidence, or do you think that these are really synchronous events?
Allegra: I… I think it’s synchronicity. I think it’s, um, I think it’s, when, when you think about someone, you put out a certain energy, and when two people… I don’t know, maybe if someone’s sensitive enough, or when two people can kind of meet on that energetic level, it’ll start to manifest in, like, oh, like, you know, both people have an impulse to call each other at the same time. And I think that is a lot to do with… with connections, being tuned in with each other.
Judy Silber: Do you, or do you not believe in synchronicity?
Bruce: It depends on what you mean by “synchronicity”. It’s a… certainly, things happen at the same time, or at about the same time, and related things happen at about the same time.
Judy Silber: So what kind of synchronicity do you believe in?
Bruce: Coincidence, statistical.
Judy Silber: So what do you think, like, when you’re thinking about someone and they show up in the room? What’s your explanation for it?
Bruce: Well, most of the time when I think about someone, they don’t show up in the room.
Judy Silber: (laughs)
Bruce: Sometimes they do. It’s really a matter of statistics. It’s, kind of… you know.
Judy Silber: So you think it’s purely mathematical?
Bruce: Yeah, I think that if you think it over, if you live as we do, surrounded by the same forty or fifty people, and you’re thinking about one of them, it’s not really all that unlikely that they’ll wander by.
Judy Silber: Do you or do you not believe in synchronicity?
Harmony: I’d like to say that I don’t. I don’t want to believe in it. I feel like it’s up there with astrology, and other kind of hocus pocus silliness, but there have been a few things that happened that made me think that maybe there really is no such thing as coincidence.
Judy Silber: Do you have a story that you can tell us?
Harmony: Well, when I first moved into OneTaste, a woman asked me if to be the editor of the online magazine that would be about sensuality and spirituality, and I was kind of like, “Why would you think I would be good for this?”, and she said, “Because I thought of it, and you were there, and so obviously it’s like… it’s just meant to be you!.“ Um, and I went through all the arguments, like “I don’t have any background in this type of literature, I don’t know that much about spirituality, I’m just not qualified for it.“ But I did really, really, actually want to do it. Really badly. I just didn’t feel like I was the appropriate person. And now, as it turns out, I am editor of the magazine.
Judy Silber: Do you or do you not believe in synchronicity?
Ritch: I do believe in synchronicity.
Judy Silber: Why?
Ritch: Um…. Because I find it’s something that happens in my life, and it definitely happens in my clients’ lives. The moment someone signs on as a client for my coaching, I ask them to keep an eye out for the changes they begin to notice just because they’ve signed on to have a coach. Every time I’m astounded by the number of things they say have begun to change in their life. Within the first week of their first coaching Call, without exception they begin to say, “Oh, I’ve noticed that I’m meeting more men”, or, “These job opportunities suddenly seem to be opening up to me”, and what I think it is is that synchronicity for me means “What I put my attention on grows stronger.“
Judy Silber: So it’s not really like a… like a convergence of energy, but it’s more like, you just start to notice what’s already there. Because your attention is on it.
Ritch: Yeah, I believe that’s behind it. I think at times it can be about the energy there, and at the same time it’s like, if you focus in on it, you’re gonna be more aware of the energy anyway.
Judy Silber: Great. Thank you.
Ritch: Cool.
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Judy Silber: Thanks to Cal, Allegra, Bruce, Harmony and Ritch for their input.
So, what about relationships? Is it coincidence or synchronicity that brings people together? Do we meet the people in our lives through chance, or is it connection? In other words, can people be connected before they even meet, so that they’re drawn together like magnets?
Part Three, where Cheli and Cal don’t meet under the best of circumstances. He was about to be married to her best friend. Still, they connected. Strongly. In an almost uncanny way. Here’s Racheli:
Racheli Cherwitz: So Cal and I met almost five years ago in Israel.
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Racheli Cherwitz: There was a girl who I was very close to, she was actually my best friend. We’d become religious together, were orthodox Jews, and they started dating, and she was like, “Oh, I met this guy, you have to meet him, he’s amazing.” So we actually met over the phone.
And we had a six-month phone relationship. The first time I met him was about two weeks before their wedding, and we spent the next two weeks inseparable, and very… cutesy and lovey, which was kind of strange since he was getting married to my best friend, and so…
Judy Silber: (laughs)
Racheli Cherwitz: And it was funny, we would walk down the street of Jerusalem, and people would say, “Oh, are you twins?” And I never thought that we looked anything alike. I mean, here’s this guy, very good looking, blue eyes, and he had this long, curly hair to his shoulders, and I was short with, you know, brown hairs and brown eyes. But I just loved… I mean, I just loved him. It was a connection that I’d had very few times in my life up until that point.
Judy Silber: You’ve been listening to A Taste of Sex. We’ll be back after this short break to hear more from Racheli Cherwitz and Cal. Stay tuned.
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Judy Silber: This is A Taste of Sex: Reality Audio. I’m Judy Silber.
Racheli Cherwitz: So, a week before you get married in orthodox Judaism, the bride and the groom don’t see each other. And each person has a guard, so I was her guard for the week. And all communication between the two of them was being passed between… me.
And he comes to the house at three in the morning, and he’s like, (stage whispers) “Racheli!” And in the old city, when you whisper it echoes down the streets, so I come to the door, I’m in my pyjamas, and I said to him, “You can’t be here”, and he was like, “I have to talk to you”, and this desperate, frantic, “if you don’t come out, my life will end” look on his face. So I got dressed, and I came out, and we walked for hours, I think we might have even see the sun come up. And he turns to me at one point, and said,
Cal: This is most probably the biggest mistake ever in my life I’m about to make. I remember going through the wedding as a concept, but I don’t really remember being present there. Like it all played through, and it all was happening… for some reason I was somewhere else.
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Cal: It was this whole show that everyone’s performing on this beautiful… on this beautiful platform called life. But internally, there was something else going on. There was this multi-dynamic reality happening, and I was building a relationship with… with Racheli.
Probably the only face I remember looking at at my wedding was Racheli.
Racheli Cherwitz: He stayed in Israel, I went back to Dallas, and we spoke anywhere from six to eight times a day on the phone.
Judy Silber: For how long?
Racheli Cherwitz: For… the entire ten months that they were married
Judy Silber: And were you talking to her, also?
Racheli Cherwitz: On and off, sporadically, depending on what kind of mood she was in. Most of the time she was hating me, and resented me, that we were so close. And then she got pregnant and freaked out. So I spoke to her frequently throughout her pregnancy, and then when the baby was two months old, they came to the States. There was a conference I was attending with a teacher of mine, and Cal met me in Wisconsin, and we ended up spending the entire weekend together. That weekend, for me, changed the course of my life, cause I came back and decided I didn’t wanna be orthodox anymore , and left a five-year lifestyle right around the same time that he was deciding the same thing.
Judy Silber: Cal went back to his life, and Racheli went on with hers, and then…
Racheli Cherwitz: He and I had a conversation. I got together with this guy that I had a crush on, and I called to tell him, and I was excited, and he said, “Well, I’m happy for you and I’m sad.“ And I was like, “What are you talking about?” And he said, “Well, I’m happy for you cause you’re happy and you’re my friend”, and he said, “And I’m sad that it’s not me”. And I just did not what to do. I actually hung up on him.
Cal: One, I come in, and I’m checking my e-mails, and I got this e-mail from Racheli that she loves me, and that she knows at this point that the best thing she can do for me is to say good-bye until it’s time again to meet again, or to start communicating again.
And I remember sitting there in front of the computer, just... crying. And the only thing that went to my head is that: “Imagine what it means to be a friend. Somebody I was so deeply connected is willing to tell me good-bye, knowing that the relationship was just destructive.“
Judy Silber: So, two years without talking – did you think about her a lot?
Cal: Yeah. I had a few friends that I had introduced to her that stayed close to her, that I constantly kept on checking in with, like, “How is she doing?”, “What’s going on?”, “I wanna talk to her”, “What’s… “, like, “Is she okay”, and I kept on checking in.
Racheli Cherwitz: We have a very close friend in common who he constantly, over two years, was trying to pass messages through, and she would be like, “Oh, I talked to Cal!”, and I would immediately say, “I don’t want to hear it. I’m not interested.”
Two years ago I had a very close friend of mine who had also become religious with, who had lost her first child. And immediately I thought, “Oh, I’m gonna fly to Israel.”
And I hadn’t been to Israel since his wedding. On a whim, I called a friend of mine, who’s a spiritual teacher, and said, “I’ve never done this type of thing before, and I’m freaking out. I have a friend that has just lost a baby, I’m thinking of going to Israel, I need you to do a reading.” And he was like, “Okay.”
Judy Silber: And what was… why did you feel like you needed a reading?
Racheli Cherwitz: I think there was just this part where I couldn’t get clarity, and it felt like…
Judy Silber: About what, though?
Racheli Cherwitz: Around going Israel. Or what I thought was around going to Israel.
Judy Silber: And why was it such a big decision?
Racheli Cherwitz: I… I don’t know. I think partly because I hadn’t been in three years, and so there was that disconnect that I had felt from a place that had strongly been a part of my life, and then there was a whole thing really around Cal’s ex-wife. And I think in the back of my consciousness was that voice that said, “It’s time to get in touch with him.“ And I needed some kind of clarity or guidance around it.
The two years that I had spent not talking to him, I hadn’t actually talked about him at all. So anybody that had come into my life during that period of time didn’t even know who he was. So you can imagine what happened, when, all of a sudden in this reading, he says to me, “Yeah, there was this couple you were really close to. They were married, they have a kid. There was a really traumatic break-up, you haven’t spoken to him in two years, and you’re wondering if you should get in touch with him.”
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Racheli Cherwitz: I said to him, “How do you know this?”, and he said, “I don’t know, it came up n the reading.” And he said, “Racheli, it’s time to get in touch with him.”
So I got home that night and spoke to this mutual friend of ours who said, “Oh, by the way, I should just let you know that Cal is trying to get in touch with you.”
Cal: She sent me an e-mail, that she wanted to talk to me, and I responded, like, I remember running to the e-mail, and it was kind of like, “Okay, call me at this number”, where I was working. And she called me, and I can just remember the… like, the tears, my, like, laughing, I couldn’t stop giggling, and I was just, and I was screaming, and I was, like, sweating, cold chills going through my body.
Racheli Cherwitz: So after that, he came to visit, about a week later, and there was this whole romantic relationship, very long in coming, that started to blossom. And he was living in Pittsburgh, I was living in Dallas, I was finishing school. And I had this really intense, amazing week with him. And I remember I was sitting in this restaurant with him, and all of a sudden I realized he was leaving in two days. And I got so sad, and I started crying, and I was like, “I don’t know what to do”, like, “Now I have you back in my life, and you’re leaving”, and it was this whole devastating experience for me.
And he looked at me and said, “Don’t worry about it, we’ll work it out.”
Judy Silber: Racheli went to visit him in Pittsburgh.
Racheli Cherwitz: So the first night I’m there, we were taking this walk, and all of a sudden, he turns to me and says, “I want a non-monogamous relationship”, which was so out of my realm of understanding, I didn’t even know what to say. And I just kinda turned and looked at him and said, “What?”, and he said, “I wanna be with you, AND I wanna be with other people.” And I remember being so angry, and so hurt, and then part of just being humiliated, and then, I was ready at that point to just pack my bags and go back to the airport, and write the whole thing off as a horrible mistake. And then I heard that voice that said, “Just stay. Just sleep on it.”
Judy Silber: “The voice…”
Racheli Cherwitz: “That elusive voice that I know is the right thing to do, and I don’t ever want to listen to it, because I know my life is about to drastically change.
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Cal: I can see how everything I said was seeping into her system. And also, like, things were re-arranging in her mind. By the next morning, I remember laying in bed, and then we started talking about it, and finally I had a… I don’t know, by the grace of God, we were both sitting there and laying in bed, and I started explaining to her exactly what my system was experiencing. The desire to wanna be with everybody, and the desire to not put up any boundaries what the relationship will look like beforehand. Rather than just… letting the relationship determine, rather than my mind.
Racheli Cherwitz: And then, I met this woman that he had a crush on, and he finally felt like he could tell me about, who said to me, “Yeah, you know, Cal’s been talking about you, and I’ve been thinking about your relationship, and what you guys are embarking on, and I have to just tell you that there’s this place in San Francisco. And they research sensuality, connection, and purpose. It’s called the OneTaste Urban Retreat Center, and I think you should go.”
And I remember sitting at the kitchen table, and I just kinda looked at her and I said, “Okay, thanks”, and then spent the next three days in Pittsburgh, wondering what it would be like to go there. I mean, and at this point, I was headed to graduate school, like a full ride, basically, my life paid for and taken care of for the next three years. And all of a sudden here comes this woman who my boyfriend thinks is attractive and is cute and wants to explore a relationship with, who… I mean, really changed the course of my life.
And so I flew home three days later to Dallas, and in the car on the way home from the airport called information to OneTaste in San Francisco, and ended up speaking to somebody who told me briefly about what it was like, and what was going on here, and the community, and I called Cal and said, “I think we should go”.
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Here was this place that I didn’t really have enough much information about, that that voice inside my head was saying “We need to go!”
“We need to go, we need to go, we need to go, we need to go!”
Judy Silber: (laughs) You went. You and Cal both.
Racheli Cherwitz: Yeah. We both got in the car,
Judy Silber: “…a dilapidated car, as I recall!”
Racheli Cherwitz: “A dilapidated car, that I… still to this day, I’m in shock that that car made it as far as it did.
Judy Silber: You both ended up making this your permanent residence.
Racheli Cherwitz: We did.
Judy Silber: There’s a residential emergent program here, you both entered into that…
Racheli Cherwitz: Right.
Judy Silber: …became almost, like, full-time students, and then began… began working for the business of OneTaste. Did you end up living happily ever after with Cal in San Francisco, or how did… how did that go?
Racheli Cherwitz: (laughs) I guess it depends on how one wants to define ‘happily ever after’.
Judy Silber: Yeah.
Judy Silber: That’s good, that’s good.
Racheli Cherwitz: It wasn’t, in this fairy tale, Disney version or romance “we’re gonna live happily ever after”. We took this… walk.
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Judy Silber: Another walk?
Racheli Cherwitz: Another walk. (laughs)
Down to the water. And I remember it was cold. I remember the way this.. the wind felt on my skin. I don’t think I had ever been this consciously aware of the way that I had been feeling before, in my life. And he just started talking about what he wanted, and how he wanted the experience to be… oh! Cause at that point, we were only gonna be in San Francisco for six weeks.
Judy Silber: How long had you been here for?
Racheli Cherwitz: Less than five hours. (laughs) I mean, we took the walk, I think, three or four hours after we arrived here. Down to the water. And he looked at me and said, “It’s over”. And I remember… the wind, and I was… I had this blue hoodie on, and so I thought, “Oh, sh….“ Really, “I didn’t hear it correctly.“ And I remember taking my hoodie off and saying, “What?”
Cal: I felt that if everyone was gonna perceive that we are together, that means that both of us will not be able to have the ultimate experience of being absolutely open for a new experience. And I think, I mean, I was absolutely sincere at the time, I was not… I know… I didn’t know how much it… was gonna affect her, how much how much the conversation was gonna affect her. What she was experiencing, later on she told me, was the absolute, like, abandonment. Like, here we have arrived, and the time when I need you the most, the time when I need your assurance the most, you drop me. And for me, it was basically, “I want us to get the maximum out of this experience.“ Or I wanted to get the maximum out of the experience, and I wanted us to stay connected, find ways where we can continue to communicate and support each other, but have our paths be separate.
Racheli Cherwitz: So they put is in two separate beds, but they were two beds that were next to each other, which for me was so challenging. And I hated it. And then even after we ended up moving beds, and getting together with different people, our beds were still next to each other. And I remember the way I would feel at night, with him in the bed next to me, sleeping with somebody else, and how part of me just, like, “My god, this is wrong”, like, “I shouldn’t be doing this.“ And at the same time thinking, “But this is what I wanted.“
Judy Silber: What was what you wanted?
Racheli Cherwitz: To be able to explore. To be… for myself to be able to explore the realm of what it meant to open my sex, and to really go into sensuality, which I hadn’t. And he, for most of our relationship, had been very sexual, and I hadn’t. So he was non-monogamous, and I was. I was monogamous with him. And so really exploring what it was like to be intimate with other people, and having him there, so close next to me. And we fought like cats and dogs. For months. And hated each… I mean, HATED each other.
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Judy Silber: So you moved to New York, to start up OneTaste New York, and then Cal followed about… was it six monthslater ? Eight months later?
Racheli Cherwitz: Yeah, six… six months later.
Judy Silber: And then both of you are actually now back in San Francisco?
Racheli Cherwitz: (laughs) Yeah.
Judy Silber: So your relationship, in a way, has come full circle.
Racheli Cherwitz: Yeah.
Judy Silber: So how is it now?
Racheli Cherwitz: Everything really changed when I moved to New York, in June, cause there was some breath and some distance between the two of us, and so we began to really be able to find that place of friendship that we had had years ago. And to start to build something back from there. And there a sense for me of just, like, “Ah, this is what it was supposed to be like!”
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Judy Silber: So in a way there are a lot of things that had to come together in order for both you and Cal to make a… well, first to come back into contact with one another, and then to make it across the country together. So, I wanna know: How do you explain that, in your mind?
Racheli Cherwitz: I don’t know if it’s fate, or it’s synchronicity, or god, or whatever you wanna call it, but there was something that said, “You guys are supposed to do this, and you’re supposed to do it together.“
Cal: I would define our relationship as path partners. Like, we walk upon the same journey, for reminding each other of what my purpose is, she… I remind her what her purpose…. In the end of the day, when I – when there’s nobody to communicate, or I wouldn’t give anyone permission to come in, she was… is the only person I would. And I think the other way goes around. Like, we keep each other… there’s a benefit to our relationship, that we can really see each other. And there is no, like, she wouldn’t co-sign any of my bullshit, and I wouldn’t do that to her. Like, there’s the absolute blunt honesty, as it is, without needing to defend anything. What fascinates me is that… how my path and her path were so uniquely different, but so uniquely the same at the same time. Like, she was having an internal calling, an internal moving to the next level, and because she was true to her journey, and I was true to my journey, we met at the exact same place.
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Judy Silber: Thank you for listening to A Taste of Sex. You can find transcripts of this show at personallifemedia.com. For more information about OneTaste, our lectures, classes and workshops on sensuality, connection, and relationship, check us out as OneTaste. us. I’m Judy Silber, join us next week.
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Allegra: So, it’s just amazing when two people are thinking about each other at the same time, and then you get kind of an event that affirms that connection.
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